everyone i'm talking to believes that this storm will be significantly more impact for new york, new jersey, maybe pennsylvania than irene was. >> it's going to be a tropical storm, right, by the time it gets up, by the time it actually hits the eastern seaboard? >> no, it will be a tropical storm briefly in here. here's the model guidance for you. the models are all right there. we put them into motion and they turn into almost to boston or down to about washington, d.c. down here, when it's really out of the warm water, it turns into a 65 mile per hour storm. when it gets back here, it turns back into a hurricane and that's the warm part of the storm, and here's the part that i don't like. this thing spins around, it lingers right over pennsylvania and new jersey, and the amount of water that can come down, if you get just even an inch of rain an hour, and all of a sudden it rains for 24 hours, that's a major flood right there all by itself. >> that's what we're looking at potentially, 24 hours of rain, depending how slow it's moving? >> sure. sure. on the west side over here, that will be snow.